One night while at Fresno State we
talked with a woman by the name of Alice, who was both religious and
liberal. Our conversation with Alice went as follows:
Pastor Kruse (PK):
Do you attend Church?
Are there any problems you see in the Church in General today?
The Church needs to be more open to woman leadership. There is too
much autocratic dictation, too much dogmatism, they are two absolute
like on birth control, and there is too much prejudice against
If you could make changes in the Church, what changes in the Church
would you like to see take place?
Ordination of Women, incorporate alternative life-styles, more
dialogue and flexibility, allow women more voice.
If you were to consider going to a Church, what would that Church
need to be (qualities) for you to go there?
A Church that focuses on building community and is dedicated to
breaking down oppressive structures in society.
If a new Church were to start in your neighborhood, would you
consider going to this Church?
Only if it is of the same denomination I am involved in now.
Who is Jesus Christ according to your understanding?
Son of God, Human and Divine, Savior, Reconciler.
If you were to die tonight, do you know for sure whether or not you
would go to heaven?
I do not know if a person could ever know absolutely. Probably.
If someone were to come up to you and say, "I want to go to heaven!
What must I do to go there?" What would be your answer to him?
Work on developing a relationship with God through prayer and
If you could know for sure how to go to heaven and have eternal life
would you be interested in knowing how?
Alice, this completes the survey. However, we do have a presentation
which explains how to know for certain that you will go to heaven
and have eternal life. Would you allow us ten
minutes of your time to share this with you?
No, I don't think so.
Alice, thank you very much for your taking the time to give us your
honest response to these questions. The purpose of the survey is to
gain understanding of what people's spirituals needs are so that we
can better serve the community as a Church. We would like to give
you a gift for your time.
We gave her a copy of the book,
As we talked with this woman it was obvious she had a lot of pain
and confusion in her life but also a lot of pride. We felt so much
pain from her that unless she volunteered what her pain centered in,
we felt completely restrained though we very much wished that we
could have shared the love of Jesus with her. The best thing we were
able to do in this matter was to give her the book and pray that she
would read it. We then thanked her for giving us her answers to the
questions. Please pray with us for this woman.
This woman reflects the degree of Secular
Humanism's influence in most of our large denominations today. This
woman seemed to have no conception of right or wrong or what the
Church is meant to be, based on, or why it even exists. Her response
to the questions were not unique. Her responses are the responses
that we get from about seventy-percent of the college students we
survey who are involved in the Church, not outside it. They come
from people of every denomination. Most young people seem to have no
moral sense of right or wrong at all. For example, her comments
about incorporating other kinds of life styles in the Church such as
lesbian and homosexual life-styles. We hear these kinds of responses
over and over and over.
The Reformation ignited by Martin Luther was a
movement of removing the pagan humanistic elements from the Church
and returning to the early Church, to a literal view of the teaching
of Scripture, and the Bible as the first and final determining
factor of the Church's Doctrines and Beliefs. The Church as a whole
needs a second Reformation.43
Matthew 9:36-38 "And seeing
the multitudes, He felt compassion for them, because they were
distressed and downcast like sheep without a shepherd. Then He said
to His disciples, ‘The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are
few. Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers
into His harvest.’"
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