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The Time Is Now!

Section 6, Chapter 16

Liberal Church Goer's Point Of View

By Dale P. Kruse

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One night while at Fresno State we talked with a woman by the name of Alice, who was both religious and liberal. Our conversation with Alice went as follows:

Pastor Kruse (PK): Do you attend Church?

Alice: yes

PK: Are there any problems you see in the Church in General today?

Alice: The Church needs to be more open to woman leadership. There is too much autocratic dictation, too much dogmatism, they are two absolute like on birth control, and there is too much prejudice against homosexuals.

PK: If you could make changes in the Church, what changes in the Church would you like to see take place?

Alice: Ordination of Women, incorporate alternative life-styles, more dialogue and flexibility, allow women more voice.

PK: If you were to consider going to a Church, what would that Church need to be (qualities) for you to go there?

Alice: A Church that focuses on building community and is dedicated to breaking down oppressive structures in society.

PK: If a new Church were to start in your neighborhood, would you consider going to this Church?

Alice: Only if it is of the same denomination I am involved in now.

PK: Who is Jesus Christ according to your understanding?

Alice: Son of God, Human and Divine, Savior, Reconciler.

PK: If you were to die tonight, do you know for sure whether or not you would go to heaven?

Alice: I do not know if a person could ever know absolutely. Probably.

PK: If someone were to come up to you and say, "I want to go to heaven! What must I do to go there?" What would be your answer to him?

Alice: Work on developing a relationship with God through prayer and meditation.

PK: If you could know for sure how to go to heaven and have eternal life would you be interested in knowing how?

Alice: yes.

PK: Alice, this completes the survey. However, we do have a presentation which explains how to know for certain that you will go to heaven and have eternal life. Would you allow us ten

minutes of your time to share this with you?

Alice: No, I don't think so.

PK: Alice, thank you very much for your taking the time to give us your honest response to these questions. The purpose of the survey is to gain understanding of what people's spirituals needs are so that we can better serve the community as a Church. We would like to give you a gift for your time.

We gave her a copy of the book, Understanding Your Salvation in Jesus. As we talked with this woman it was obvious she had a lot of pain and confusion in her life but also a lot of pride. We felt so much pain from her that unless she volunteered what her pain centered in, we felt completely restrained though we very much wished that we could have shared the love of Jesus with her. The best thing we were able to do in this matter was to give her the book and pray that she would read it. We then thanked her for giving us her answers to the questions. Please pray with us for this woman.

This woman reflects the degree of Secular Humanism's influence in most of our large denominations today. This woman seemed to have no conception of right or wrong or what the Church is meant to be, based on, or why it even exists. Her response to the questions were not unique. Her responses are the responses that we get from about seventy-percent of the college students we survey who are involved in the Church, not outside it. They come from people of every denomination. Most young people seem to have no moral sense of right or wrong at all. For example, her comments about incorporating other kinds of life styles in the Church such as lesbian and homosexual life-styles. We hear these kinds of responses over and over and over.

The Reformation ignited by Martin Luther was a movement of removing the pagan humanistic elements from the Church and returning to the early Church, to a literal view of the teaching of Scripture, and the Bible as the first and final determining factor of the Church's Doctrines and Beliefs. The Church as a whole needs a second Reformation.43

Matthew 9:36-38 "And seeing the multitudes, He felt compassion for them, because they were distressed and downcast like sheep without a shepherd. Then He said to His disciples, ‘The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest.’"

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